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August 01, 2012

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Duncan

"Halperin interprets gayness through traditional pop culture preoccupations like golden age Hollywood, opera, and Broadway musicals ..." I guess I'm not gay then? Reminds me of the review of Brokeback Mountain I read, which explained that although Jack and Ennis had a passionate, not to say obsessive sexual affair for twenty years, they weren't gay because they'd never danced shirtless in a Pride Parade.

Edward

You only have to take a look around you to see the thinning of the ranks of Judy-adorers among "us." I agree Duncan, although it speaks to a (historical) part of me, it's become an anachronism (obviously with the exception of those in academia) to disseminate yet more obsolete theories regarding "camp." Fran Liebowitz dispatched her own form of the gay deathknell years ago with her take-down of Sontag with "Notes on Trick." I don't mind reading this sort of thing, especially in the capable hands of someone like James McCourt, but it's obsolete in any real sense. After nearly 40 years of being out, I've never known any gay man who has treated this sort of sensibility with anything short of irony. Maybe I need to get some real and true gay friends.

johnny

Halperin's "book" shows an attitude from a generation of gay men that is, thankfully, ready for the nursing home. Gay men broke away from those horrible stereotypes and learned behaviors a long, long time ago.

Why did we break away? Because the stereotypes and affectations are no longer necessary. Gay is about genetics and sexual attraction, not what you're wearing, who your watching, where you're going or what you talk like.

He posits (from his idiotic NY Times article): "And yet gay culture is not just a superficial affectation. It is an expression of difference through style — a way of carving out space for an alternate way of life. And that means carving out space in opposition to straight society."

Gay people need to eschew this type of thinking. For one thing, Halperin's definition of gay culture is PURELY superficial, as any "style" would naturally be. As well, it defecates on the word "we" and desperately holds onto an "us vs. them" paranoid psychosis. As long as gay people keep this outdated attitude up, being gay will never be considered simply a variant-but-normal outcome of birth by society. I believe we can carve out our own space without it having to be in opposition.

Halperin's entire positioning is nonsense and is reminiscent of the "separatist" thinking that many hardcore radical lesbians had in the 80s. Are we supposed to go backward and divide up into disparate groups again? This is idiocy.

Arthur Durkee

What does such a book do but reinforce stereotypes? And by its standards I guess I'm not gay. Or gay enough, whatever that means.

Mainstream straight culture will of course rush to embrace such a book, because it reaffirms stereotypes, and will completely miss the fact that "men who sleep with men" is a culture so diverse that this represents only a small segment of it. But the issue of style is indeed superficial. Most gay men I know play with style ironically these days, not seriously. CAn we talk about substance rather than style, for once?—which of course we will be ignored if we do so, because that doesn't reinforce the stereotypes.

Plus I doubt he even mentions the genuine alternatives to even mainstream gay life, such as the Radical Faeries.

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